You are using an out of date browser. Btw, is there any reason NOT to take unyelding? Any tribal leader, whose religion is pagan unreformed, neighbouring a realm whose leader's religion is organized - e.g. Right now before I will be able to even convert rest of my provinces, they already do it.*. Incompatible with Agnatic Clans, Harmonious, Equality, Polygamy and Meritocracy doctrines. Holy sites: Perm, Ryazan, Novgorod (shared with Slavic), Saaremaa, and Kexholm. Answered, CK2 (Crusader Kings II): Immortality Event ID and Guide, CK2 (Crusader Kings II): Strange Chest Item and Event Results. Priests cannot marry and cannot inherit. Women can take up to 3 consorts. Characters get a Rite of Passage when reaching adulthood. Havent seen many posts about reforming the Bon religion. There's a mod that fixes this. However, all the random events based on traits (which drop relations by 15 for those without and raise by 15 for those with the trait) are the same, along with the end bonus of 100 piety and prestige and +15 to vassal relations for one year. Patron Deities. Playing from this start is more difficult, as Kiev is bordered to the south by the Tengri Khaganate of Magyars. Will it have a religious leader, like the Pope? Keeping moral authority high is also a problem due to weak realms who often lose religious wars. They also have access to two special casus belli: Most pagans have defensive attrition, massively reducing the supply limit for non-pagans invading their homeland. Kiev in 769 is notably a start whose default ruler, Dobrava Turov, is a woman. The Fun element of Proselytizing is that its the only nature that actively allows you to actively convert (outside of mass conversion events) foreign leaders to your religion. Once your a blob as the Roman Empire, you can stamp out any realm only with retinues/holy order and need not raise vassal levies, making civilized doctrine kind of useless). I was new to HF just like everyone else and I had no idea what the end result would be. Members; . Sometimes simple solutions are the best. In the north, start in Novgorod, Poland, or Kiev and form your corresponding de jure kingdom first, then work your way to the other two holy sites. Meritocracy does have a major downside in that you can only designate your children, making it difficult to get your genius strong nephew on the throne or skip a generation. Two of the religion's holy sites are located within de-jure Lithuania (with another site close by), making it one of the easier pagan religion to reform. Prisoners of different religions can be sacrificed for Piety. Each pagan faith has one unique doctrine, which has features of two or more generic traits. It is really painful to expand with CBs at our disposal as Peaceful religion. Nature: Unyielding sounds good on paper, but if you plan on having a large realm I'm not sure it's great because it takes a long time for counties to change to your religion. I like equality. No female temple holders. If allowed to spread their religion, they will in time ask the ruler to convert. When I started writing this tier list I wanted to put all natures in one tier, but realised I have never really used dogmatic and proselytizing because they feel lackluster to me. All Offensive pagans also gain a +30% bonus to their levy sizes, making up for likely lower technology and smaller fort holdings. Agnatic law is enforced, open succession law is unlocked. +10% Attack for all units. ), creating negative synergy (though you can combine Unyielding with Animistic but dont cause Animistic is awful). Tax on subjects of different religious groups is allowed. I haven't reformed a lot of pagan faiths, but when I do reform a pagan faith, I tend to pick the same four options every time (Unyielding - Enatic Clans & Unique - Autonomous). Ruler do not receive opinion penalties for raised vassal levies. Having a hard time picking between prepared invasions and Meritocracy, either epic land grabs, or being able to designate best heir.. There are 6 Natures you can choose from, all with their advantages and disadvantages: Peaceful Bonuses +3 Demesne limit. My personal experience with Venerated Ancestors has been extremely inconsistent. Interactive corporate website, Monthly prestige +0.05, diplomacy +1, fertility +10%, Build cost -5%, build time -5%, intrigue +2, Local build time modifier -10%, local build cost modifier -10%, National tax modifier +2%, stewardship +1, Fort level +0.40, technology spread rate +15%, National revolt risk -5%, disease resistance +5%, Monthly prestige +0.03, learning +1, personal combat skill +5. Hellenism (Priests cannot marry and cannot inherit), Incompatible with Religious Tax and Civilized doctrines, Incompatible with Sons of Ragnarok doctrine. Prisoners of different religions can be sacrificed for Piety. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. But you're right, in some situations it's really powerful. You hardly get Short year penalty with Imperial succession. Also, as tech advances, rival feudal realms can take advantage to construct better buildings for greater economic and military power. Here is an extensive CK2 guide about Pagan Reformation, where we explain all Natures, Doctrines, and Leadership options. A pagan start that allows to make a kingdom and to reform faith in the shortest time, preferably, before the first succession and loss of titles. Tengri, worship of the Sky Father, is the religion of the Steppe and the bulk of its followers are nomads, whose lands stretch from Danube to Mongolia. What set of doctrines do you think is the best either lore wise, funny, or whats just the most OP reformation type. Eldership succession law is allowed. Dogmatic: See above. I have an Ironman 867 Guge game on the verge of reforming the religion. Religious Control Mandate law is unavailable. Acquiring the faith to begin with requires you to convert religions or use Ruler Designer, and its holy sites are split up between the Italia, Britannia, Spain, Francia, and Maghreb. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion, levy & garrison bonus from Unyielding nature or offensive bonus of Unrelenting doctrine in the first doctrine slot, it is lost. Traits inherited from unreformed religion. Also you can give away the title, the best way would probably be as a viceroyalty. Rulers do not receive opinion penalties for raised vassal levies. Disallow avuncular marriage and cousin marriage. Ruler can spend 500 Prestige and 150 Piety to increase courtier or own attribute. I feel it is a waste of slot and good for role play only. Thread starter AwesomeKeith; Start date Mar 26, 2016; Jump to latest Follow Reply . Some other day I read that this isn't a bug and it's working as intendent IMO Enatic is much, much better than Agnatic, because Agnatic prevents you from matri marrying, which means any chance to get a non-crafted bloodline is over, and because there are immensely more targets for matriarchal deposition than there is for the opposite. Pagan religions retain some features when reformed, regardless of the features chosen during reformation. These doctrines are tied to the reformer's religion. Now that you have no fast way to expand through pagan lands, you may wish to convert to a culture that allows use of the Tribal Invasion CB, so you can quickly expand through infidel lands instead. Rulers lose prestige when at peace for too long. Unlocks Raiding if unavailable (eg Hellenic). Partially redundant with Children of Perun doctrine. Engage in courtly intrigue, dynastic struggles, and holy warfare in medival Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, India, the steppes and Tibet. I changed my mind about divine marriage doctrine, it actually allows us to breed new bloodlines fairly easy into our dynasty. AI rulers are more aggressive.AI rulers only convert same-group provinces and only when zealous Valve Corporation. The love of battle among these pagans means that rulers incur no relation penalty with their vassals for having troops raised. What, in your opinion, is the best aim training? Cosmopolitan - maybe for bloodline collecting? That deserves recognition. It has its downsides because it makes AI more aggressive and incompetent AI can tank our MA very hard. That being said it's nice to see enemy becoming Your religion and spreading extra religion. Rulers can order subject to Take the Vows. Each temple looted in a raid gives +1% to moral authority. If that bloodline gets passed down it's a great way to boost up prestige in the early reign of your descendants. Crusader Kings is a historical grand strategy / RPG video game series for PC, Mac, Linux, PlayStation 5 & Xbox Series X|S developed & published by Paradox Interactive. Women can take up to 3 consorts. If a king of a faith stays true to the old ways, and many vassals convert to the new religion, this can cause tremendous upheaval in a nation, and lead to multiple, simultaneous and devastating deep revolts. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I disagree here. It's a bit of a challenge but shouldn't be too much for any player with a bit of experience. It has a synergy with incest doctrine making us high god of our religion. Unrelenting cannot be picked with unyielding, and it cancels out any unreformed levy or troops bonus. The Slavic faith is followed, as the name suggests, by the Slavic peoples of Europe. As I said, civilized isnt good for Roman emperor as he is locked into imperial elective, and lets be honest, if we are reforming hellenic religion then we are 99% roman emperor, Problem, realize that I'm a couple months late, but stability is a doctrine, not a nature, sorry, that's bugging me, "I changed my mind about divine marriage doctrine, it actually allows us to breed new bloodlines fairly easy into our dynasty.". Defining features in-game: Low-tech non-pagans have very low Supply Limit in Pagan counties. Proselytizing: I will be honest, I never picked it. Children of Perun is weak. No females in the council. Anyway, good list and I have to say I agree on most of the points! Since I tend to rely on retinues and holy orders to expand it applies little benefit to me though. By doing a Pagan Reformation, the player decides to change the way their religion works for their CK2 playthrough. Feudal rulers bordering rivers will eventually increase their fort level to the point that Germanic pagans can no longer navigate those rivers. +40% garrison size in county of this religion. The principal ability of defensive pagans (Romuva, Slavic, Suomenusko & African) is a tremendous boost in combat when fighting on home ground. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Synergies, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/holy-fury-reformation-doctrine-list.1115209/. Need the +3 demense to have enough personal levies and also +15 opinion combined with Augustus trait and Born in the Purple ( another +15 opinion) is pretty OP. This severely slows down early-game conquest of the typically smaller, fractious pagan realms by expanding Abrahamics. This attrition only applies in provinces of the same religion as their ruler, so Germanic pagans won't lower their enemies' supply limits in Slavic territory. JavaScript is disabled. Seabound is just useless without Daring and picking these two doctrines is silly (unless we are not getting bored with constant raiding on our foes). PegaluxX. For conquests Islam is way too OP if you're not a nomad. It says we can spend piety to improve curtier abilities but we can do it once per 5 years and can improve stat for one point. Hinduism is solid with the early Holy Order, morale buff, patron deities and raiding but they lack any inheritance/realm management perks. Eldership Succession law is available, Bloodthirsty Gods + Seabound + Unrelenting, Rulers do not receive opinion penalties for raised vassal levies + Syncretism + Meritocracy. The last playable Slavic ruler is Chief Testislaw of Dyrmin. It has synergy with enatic/agnatic or meritocracy, after 9 successful boosts for close family relative we get a bloodline. Totems and Dievas have that good succesion law going for them. Characters get a Rite of Passage when reaching adulthood. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion, it is lost. actually that "pagan" religion in game is just the generic pagan religion that all pagans had before the "old gods" expansion. The only issue is there is a bug (Snow Crystal pretty much confirmed it's a bug). Partially redundant with Sea-Bound doctrine. Pagans may fight back in the name of the old gods, and even seek to eliminate the monotheists from Europe. When the religion is reformed, rulers of the faith may choose to accept or reject the new order of things. Possibility for a woman to take consorts is disallowed even if other traits should unlock it. It has synergy with Agnatic and Enatic doctries, giving us new CB for Patriarchal and Matriarchal depositions. Because raiding counts as war, and they have county conquest casus belli that require no reason for war, however, few rulers need find themselves short on wars for long. Monasticism is definitely top tier, as it allows you to make any succession law work the way you want, not to mention the flat learning boost. I'm still mad how badly Shia got shafted over the development of the game. Ruler does not receive opinion penalties for raised vassal levies. Pagans are able to hold religious feasts (except Tengri/African). No male in the council. a situation/mechanic that doesn't resemble real life in any meaningful way. Holding the Blood Games in the Grand Amphitheater grants an additional 200 Prestige. Concubines not allowed. Sorry for the confusion. Ancestor Worship decision available. Pagan vassals are more likely to seek independence, and gain warscore more rapidly than others in independence wars. Access to Hermetic society (but Hermetics still suffer -10 temple opinion). This faith is exceptionally limited - it has all the disadvantages of unreformed paganism and none of the benefits, nor can it be reformed. This is in addition to the pagan homeland attrition penalty, which forces the large numbers of troops needed to invade a defensive pagan home territory to face severe attrition for the duration of any siege. However, it only applies to the homeland, and pagans have difficulty converting provinces due to low. on Paradox technology, Legal Toggle signature. Rulers lose prestige when at peace for too long. Charlemagne starts I tried so far seem to be financially starved, since it takes forever to get the basic naval tech and start raiding proper. They can easily convert provinces by pillaging every holding in a province. There are better options for mix-maxing/efficient play. The new reformation system allows players to build their religion for their preferred play-style and to combine incompatible characteristics. Expect frequent raids and wars between realms that accept the new faith and those that reject it. For tribal pagans, reforming makes it easier to raise tribal organization. The best Doctrines by far are the two "Clans" option with the slight edge to Enatic. The other side of the coin is that peace is seen as unbecoming. The reformed Pagan religions are usually pretty nice. With tribal mechanics, pagans cannot raise Tribal Organization very high without having severe relations penalty for tribal Unreformed Pagan vassals (-30 opinion with Absolute). Daring is a good way to lose moral authority because AI is incompetent, and we as a player will need prepared invasion only once (maybe twice). Reforming a faith costs 750 piety. . However, its 10% bonus attack for all our troops so it is not that bad I guess, just weird. which is available immediately to Tribal realms with a reformed pagan religion). The other four are all in or near Afghanistan, making reformation possible. Nomads have their unique nomadic succession which does not split the realm like gavelkind. Sacrifice action (unless Peaceful). Penalties I may found bridge from new DLC's teaser. Animistic has same problems as unrelenting, it gives rite of passage event when reaching adulthood which has some flavour. Rulers can order subject to Take the Vows, disqualifying them from succession. Before patch 3.0, Hellenic paganism also fell into this category. I admit I have not played Hellenic yet but it sounds awesome to me. First two cancel themselves if they are picked together. Certain pagans have access to additional succession laws. Generic Tengri paganism allows for more levies. Also has access to the decadence mechanic which can also increase demesne income with tribal or iqta governments. Sacrificing prisoners unlocks special traits, actions, and a bloodline that grants Prestige for sacrifices as well. The only cb you'll ever need is alexanders invasion. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Most pagans may raid neighboring provinces (and coastal provinces, if ships are available) for loot and prestige, even without a tribal government (which majority of the pagans are). Civilized already removes raised levies penalties to vassal opinion, and Hellenic can raid already. The reason I don't like to pick it is that the bonuses apply to my vassals and makes them much stronger. I think these are well balanced. More posts you may like r/CrusaderKings Join 3 days ago CK2 6.4K 103 r/CrusaderKings 5 days ago I might make a post in the future on how I think all the religions and doctrines could be improved/fixed to make them viable for both Fun and Power, but Ive written enough for now. As I try to have everyone with duchy and above titles be of my dynasty I have one save where I have 1000+ opinion just from veneration. Ive heard it is currently bugged. Knowing that Civilized is the best "peaceful" doctrine, pair that with stability, temporal so you decide your own holy wars and get a permanent artifact and set it to proselytize so that every follower of your religious works to eliminate religious bordergore. The resulting empty holding slots further strengthens the horde. And raised levies opinion penalty only really counts if you are at war all the time. Crusader Kings II. Clearly Messalian. Once your account is created, you'll be logged-in to this account. Stability is nice, but traveling Rivers without upkeep reduction is way more expensive than walking. Possibility for a woman to take consorts is disallowed even if other traits should unlock it. The religious head can decide upon death to venerate a given ancestor, in a process similar to sainthood. Diviner read signs before a war to try to improve troop morale. Penalty to moral authority (-15%) and to mission. Matrilineal marriages are disabled. If tribal, remember that demesne counties which are still following the old faith will give less tax and levies. Late to the party but I like this one; for the purpose of acquiring bloodlines. A religion's nature determines its attitude toward warfare and religious conversion. Full status of woman law is enforced. All units gain 80% to defense when fighting enemies in a province of the combatant's religion. ( But Imperial Succession is nearly same as heir designation so you may want to pick the Religious tax doctrine to get tons of cash. I'd suggest backing up a copy of your save game at the point where you can reform the religion and then trying a few combinations. Astrology also enables Hermetic society which puts it up there with the notable doctrines for me. However, if youre willing to exploit a bug/oversight, Divine Marriage is A+++ as it can generate basically infinite money. You also have to remember the example you've given is a really fringe situation exploiting several mechanics. I think that'd be the best. With Holy Fury, Zunists can raid after reformation, as long as the reformed faith does not have the Peaceful nature. Others have concvinced me that Hellenic is the best overall. In 800 CE. So I decided to update my list after I played some Holy Fury. The ability to raid makes some pagans uniquely wealthy in the early game. If fighting unreformed pagans is a priority after reformation, the Unrelenting doctrine or the Tengri equivalent (Eternal Riders) is recommended. Its holy sites are scattered around the map but are mostly controlled by right religion, even in 1066 starting date. )Best religion for gold income as liege : sunni Due to the additional tax from holdings in counties without Muslim religion. To debate theology, go elsewhere. Pagan religions may gain a religious head and a Great Holy War (Crusade CB) if they reform. Bn is also unlocked by Jade Dragon, and Horse Lords allows playing of pagan nomadic rulers. Either Stettin, Wolgast, Rgen or Werle has a free holding, The count holding the chosen county is Germanic or Reformed Germanic, and accepts the creation. If someone used it with success please advocate this nature in comments. Reformed pagans will gain a sudden bonus to their conversion rates. With the Holy Fury expansion, requirements for reformation remain unchanged, but the player may select four "traits" for religion, which affects the set of available mechanics for the religion and provides various bonuses. Bear in mind that in 1066, Novgorod is Christian, and the Rurikid dynasty which holds it has multiple potential allies from other dynasty members. Flat bonus to levy, garrison size and moral. Note that Germanic pagans have as a holy site the county of Braunschweig, and taking that county will trigger the Catholic crusades (as well as the formation of every Catholic Holy Order but the Knights Templar) at the time that you take Braunschweig, so long as the year is 900 and the province is Christian. Just know ahead of time that the owner of the title can't marry or be betrothed unless they have another title like count or something. Reformer becomes the first religious head. You can marry your brothers to other Christians for alliances AND marry your sister for yourself. You must log in or register to reply here. Although I admit the bloodline bugs with male consorts are beyond annoying. D. Nature: If you picked peaceful nature, I suggest you pick Autonomous leadership(since Peaceful doctrine anyway disables GHW). The reformer's courtiers at home, dynasty members, and vassals will always follow in the reformation if they are below playable tier. Religious tax wouldn't be that high tier for me, I see it as rather pointless. Religious Control Mandate law is unavailable.AI rulers will not convert provinces. Can you achieve fame and fortune for your noble family, or will your names be forgotten to history? The other pagan faiths have a duke-level religious leader who becomes a vassal of the reforming ruler, similar to the Orthodox religion's patriarch. Access to monastic feudal government with Tibeto-Burman culture group. Depends on what you want. Because of this, it is usually strategically advisable to hold off on reforming your religion until your realm is at a multiple-kingdom level, and to make sure to exploit any subjugation or county conquest CBs against nearby easy target pagans before reforming your religion. And you can make a chain of your demesne inside the silk trade route. Out of all the Succession Doctrines, Meritocracy is probably the safest. Great work!!! But later, feudal realms grow their income more quickly, while raiding becomes less feasible as targets consolidate. Civilised is closer to tier 3 than tier 1, if we pick this doctrine as Roman Emperor we will never use its full potential as we are locked in Imperial Elective succession. When you choose to play as a pagan ruler in CK2, you accept that there might be some problems (succession, levies, conversions) along the way that come with the advantages. Large nomadic realms continue to grow in strength as long as the khans continuously increase the number of empty holding slots they control. Historically, the pagan faiths were gradually supplanted by Christianity, Islam, Dharmic religions, and Eastern religions, but this does not necessarily happen in the game. The Short Reign relations modifier is three times more severe for pagans. Unlocks divine marriage, allowing and encouraging incestuous marriages. AI looters prefer coastal counties. If consorts are available and the Peaceful religion nature and Tribalist traits from Autonomous leadership outweigh the Short Reign penalty (and the player ensures that most vassals are of the player's dynasty), it makes sense to pick Divine Marriage instead of Stability, to get an even higher score from Divine marriages, in situations where inbreeding is already likely. Great Holy War against a single disfigured child. I hope this tier list/guide was useful for you here reading this, despite its huge length. I may found bridge from new DLC's teaser. It just looks so good: +80% Defense and +80% morale for all units if fighting at county of this religion. Duke-tier religious heads common for all realms. The reformed Pagan religions are usually pretty nice. There are no Hellenic rulers at any start date, but Hellenism can be revived in several ways: There is one special pagan faith that normally only appears in-game as the listed religion of long-dead historical figures. They also gain access to Great Holy Wars if the Catholics have unlocked Crusades or the Muslims have unlocked Jihads. (Especially after mass conversions.). I always found piety to be very uselful here, excommunication is a very powerful tool if you use it strategically. Unyielding also reduces AI aggressiveness, which can be a negative if you want your AI vassals to attack/invade your enemies for you. If that was the case, simply raising levies, toggling looter and waiting will remove the prestige penalty. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Foreign rulers will sometimes send missionaries. For the reference https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Reformation, Nature: Two tiers here. In my game as a Zunist multi-emperor, I reformed with Warmongering, so conversion is very slow (maybe 20 provinces are converted, whereas I controlled half of the map), but that doesn't bother me : revolts are rare, and my vassals are converting them bit by bit. Rurik Rurikid, Petty King of Holmgarr in 867, is the historical founder of the Russian Empire. Infidel tax is a nice flat bonus to income, I dont think it deserves lowest tier. Ancestor Veneration A for Power, A for Fun, Bloodthirsty Gods B- For Power, A for Fun, Stability/Children of Perun (Slavic)/Survivor of Ukko (Suomenusko). The only issue is there is a bug (Snow Crystal pretty much confirmed it's a bug) such that the religious head can never be venerated. being able to roleplay as discount Vikings as any pagan religion can be fun, and using rivers is always an interesting mechanic. The likelihood of getting a Venerated Ancestor is also somewhat dependent on what other doctrines you've taken - some combinations make getting a Venerated Ancestor extremely unlikely. I will explain some of my choices based on how it worked out in my games. I rank Ancestor Veneration as tier 1 because of the eldership succesion it provides, sainthood is just nice bonus for it. Enatic law is enforced, open succession law is unlocked. Pont Valentr Press J to jump to the feed. Yea i know all that, and i never said i liked it. 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